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Thursday, May 17, 2007

What will run on the rails? Part IV

By Mark Forsythe
The Kansas City Post

Only routes in very dense cities with limited parking can justify the high capital cost and passenger capacity of traditional LRT. Kansas City does not meet either of those requirements. Our population is not dense, and there is ample parking in our urban core.

Whenever the conversation about light rail comes up, the most talked about issue is cost. The cost per mile of fifty, sixty, even seventy million dollars is a difficult project to undertake for even the wealthiest of communities.

I made my analysis with several constraints. That's what we geeky engineer-types do. We design within constraints. My self-imposed constraints were cost, route, aesthetics, minimal infrastructure and low environmental impact. Of course these constraints led me to Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) but I also chose to honor what I feel was the intent of the voters when they passed our current plan. The voters wanted rail. Fair enough. So I added rail to my constraints.

For aesthetics, it is purely my opinion that overhead catenaries are not desirable, so that eliminated traditional LRT like Denver and Minneapolis. Surface transit cannot have a third rail providing power unless it's in a dedicated transitway unaccessible to pedestrians. Not my idea of an attractive urban transit system so that leaves that out. The fabled "new ground level power supply system" from the ballot proposition? Not practical or affordable.

With no wires and no third rail, that left me self-propelled options. Part I and Part III are both self-propelled. The Colorado DMU is not practical. The diesel-powered light rail has potential but it's not very environmentally friendly. That left me with today's proposal. Ultra Light Rail (ULR).

The first ULR system to run that I could find began at Bristol in the late nineties. The 35 passenger tram used a flywheel from a 70 volt DC supply picked up from a short stretch of third rail situated at two stops. The extremely popular service ran for two years and carried some 50,000 fare-paying passengers.

That technology has morphed into a hybrid-drive system using off the shelf components borrowed from the automotive industry such as high efficiency diesel or Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) engines and sophisticated battery banks.


Advantages:

- Low emission hybrid drive. Zero emission if plug-in EV technology is utilized
- Lighter weight, low cost vehicles. The picture to the left is a ULR running on a wooden ocean pier
- Rails can be laid over existing streets and there is no need for ground-level conductors or overhead catenaries.
- Capacity up to 50 passengers per car
- Single or dual car configuration available
- Potential for onboard auxiliaries to be powered by roof mounted solar panels
- Potential system cost less than 10% of conventional LRT
- Easily retrofitted when new technologies appear


Disadvantages:

- New technology. First adopters assume significant risk of unforeseen problems
- Very few commercial installations up and running. Southport ULR in the UK is the longest running but it is an all-electric plug-in EV
- European companies are only just now beginning to develop manufacturing relationships in the United States
- Smaller than LRT. Typical ULRVs carry around 70-100 passengers at one time meaning more vehicles will have to run more frequently during periods of high demand


Conclusion:

Kansas City has an opportunity to step forward and lead the way for 21st Century transit. Sometimes the most expensive option is not the best. In this case I believe ULR to be not only the lowest cost option, but the best option. Modern, low impact, scalable to ridership demands and completely customizable for our needs.

I know it is a Kansas City tradition to enumerate all the reasons "we can't" instead of asking "why not?" So let the "why we can't" group begin here in the Comments section. For the rest of us, let's look forward to the 21st Century instead of re-living the 19th.

Comments on "What will run on the rails? Part IV"

 

Blogger KC Sponge said ... (9:46 AM) : 

I'm all for Kansas City leading the way! Is there still the option for federal funding if there is not a US manufacturer? If it's so much cheaper - and with so much less infrastructure requirements - maybe they won't be depended on as much with this proposal. But then again, with such small load capacity, it seems like it could be seen as just a really cool bus . . . don't know if that's enough to get Kansas City excited about getting rid of their cars and riding mass transit. That's what it's going to take. But then again, we would be the first in the US (is that right?) with this technology, and people would travel to KC to get a first-hand look - maybe the national interest would spark local interest as well.

Thank you for all the hard work you've done on these posts. Hopefully the right people are looking in and you get the word out on your own.

 

Blogger Mark said ... (9:51 AM) : 

Sponge,

Long time no see. The ULR pictured carries 100 passengers but there are configurations of 140 on the drawing boards. Frankly I think 100 passenger ULRVs running more frequently is the way to go.

Absolutely this system would qualify for federal funds. As far as domestic manufacturers, it's a fairly simple process to obtain licensing and manufacture to spec right here in the US. In fact, how about a Kansas City based company? KC needs some more light industry jobs.

 

Anonymous brent said ... (10:02 AM) : 

I don't know Mark, being the first to employ New Technology, starting a company in KC to be the first to build it in the country, environmentally friendly, forward-thinking, this doesn't sound much like the Kansas City way...

Sounds great. When do we start?

 

Blogger doinkman said ... (10:20 AM) : 

Mark, you purposely saved the best for last. I was never a big fan of the in-ground power technology. Huge capital and locks you into one technology.

Just curious, anybody have any idea for a typical light rail system, what percentage of the total cost is for the rail cars? Also, be interesting to see O&M costs from other places...

I think the first phase of the system , running in the urban core has to be truly 'light'. I'd rather see smaller cars running more frequently that big monsters running less frequently.

Personally, my vote last Sept. was for better transit in KC, not specifically 'light rail'. If we could do BRT right I'd be all for it, but I'm realizing that creating that additional ROW, or taking it away from autos is going to be a tough sell in KC. Certainly, this ULR is a whole lot sexier.

I think KC can do this, but how are we going to get rid of the very specific plan we have now?

 

Anonymous Michelled said ... (10:23 AM) : 

I like it. Please start on this tomorrow.

I do disagree with two of your points on density and parking downtown - I say build for tomorrow not today! Density will increase (it HAS to increase or KC is facocked) and too much parking is EASILY remedied by adding a big ole tax to it. Which we can use to fund public transit. Or, is it too late to nix the redecorating plans for Kauffman and build the new stadium over a bunch of parking lots?! C'mon, a girl can dream!

 

Anonymous Bob Asher said ... (10:26 AM) : 

Mark:

We can't because we're Kansas City.

And while I appreciate the progressive forward thinking and hard work that's going into these posts, the people that read this blog are not the ones who pull the levers in this town.

The coolest transit system I've seen, and it was a long time ago (1995), was in Strausburg France. I can't remember how it was powered, but it was a very small vehicle size with a really low (maybe 12") floor height, allowing very small and easily managed stops. They ran this system right through the middle of a pedestrian market and because it was so small, there didn't seem to be much conflict between walkers and the tram. Something of a scale like that might make a good "starter" line running from the river to the Plaza, similar to the system you're talking about today.

The problem with the smaller, lower capacity systems is whether or not they can move enough people fast enough to the airport. I've always wondered how light rail (which I assume was more like the Muni Metro in San Francisco) was going to be effective to KCI. In San Francisco, they have the BART running to the airports which feed people into the municipal light rail systems as they get closer into town.

Why not a high speed BART (how about KART? (KC Area Regional Transit) line from the airport and points north splitting off somewhere downtown and heading down to Olathe on one side and Grandview on the other side. These would have stops every 2-5 miles and run at maybe (I'm talking out of my butt now..) 50-60 mph. This line would be built with federal match grants. and would address regional transit. Then you get off and onto smaller ULR-type systems that are locally paid for:
"Midtown Line" (current "starter" line).
"Barry Road" line.
"75th Street Cross-Town"
"Truman Road - Downtown KCMO to Downtown Independence"
"Arts Line" Downtown KCK to Downtown KCMO and Crossroads via the West Bottoms
"131st Street Cross-Town"
"North Oak" from Barry Road to Downtown KCMO

All of the ULR lines could be easily retrofitted onto existing roadway lanes. Most lines wouldn't have to rely on bi-state or federally matched money. Use Bus Rapid where/when funding can't be found.

Conclusion: In a spread out regional metropolis, it's a recipe for disaster when only one type of transit is considered. The type of system we need to move lots of people north and south to the airport is too big, dirty, loud, and expensive for inter-neighborhood transit. Smaller transit systems (BRT, ULR, etc) are too small and slow to take care of regional needs. Rather, we need to look at San Francisco's multivalent solutions.

-end wind-

 

Blogger Mark said ... (10:32 AM) : 

doinkman,

I'm choosing to forgive the fact that you've just stuck a very bad Venessa Williams song in my head.

I'm running down numbers on a system like this. I've seen outrageous claims of 1/10 the cost of traditional LRT which I'm very skeptical. But the weight of these vehicles opens up dramatic possibilities. If the one I've shown can run on a wooden pier, I don't think we'd have any problem running it across the HOA bridge without any added reinforcement.

As far as rescinding the current plan, the council is going to have to have the political will to do so. It is their right by charter to rescind it with a simple majority vote. Unfortunately our mayor has made it very clear he will not consider anything that isn't regional (bi-state) which is a position he will have to back down from in order for a plan using vehicles like this to get started.

This could really happen folks. Unfortunately I'm just one man with a humble online editorial paper. As Bob Asher so deftly pointed out, I'm not the one pulling the levers.

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (10:38 AM) : 

I REALLY like this option, but it's basically a bus with a dedicated route/ROW with tracks.

Soi tell me, why not lose the tracks, in favor of tires, and save a bunch more money? Why are the tracks needed - tracks only afford us what - further energy savings?

 

Blogger Mark said ... (10:45 AM) : 

mainstream,

Tracks are what the voters wanted, and yes there actually is energy savings. Steel to steel uses 30% of the power that rubber on asphalt uses. I could get all geeky and explain why, but we'll just say less friction and leave it at that.

Don't underestimate the psychological factor of rail. I myself travel a great deal and am much more adventurous jumping on rail than buses. I feel like with rail transit I can always find my way back. When I was in London I was mindlessly jumping from one rail line to another. I figured there was no way I could get lost and I was right!

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (11:04 AM) : 

The energy savings and psychology make sense.

I also think that when you say you can't get lost on rail, you're really saying "I'm thinking of rail as functioning as a system, therefore I can't get lost."

I'm reminded of Curatiba, and while some of the sexiness of that system has been debunked, it was a bus system designed to largely look like a rail system (along with rail-type ingress and egress) and function as a system.

Having said all that, rail makes sense for the engineering reasons you stated - and the explict psychology.

However, I'm getting quite tired of hearing "The voters have spoken" when they didn't read or understand what they were voting on. If we're truly honest with ourselves, the truth is, the majority of voters didn't know what they were doing, what they were voting for, how much it would cost and how it would be paid for.

My dog loves the concept of steak, so show if I show him one and he'll want it. Ask him how much it cost, where it came from, how he's going to pay for it, and he doesn't know. So if my dog votes for steak (with a tail wag, in this example) has he "spoken"?

 

Anonymous brent said ... (11:04 AM) : 

Mainstream,

There are three parts about rail that I think make it significantly superior to BRT.

1) The permanence of the tracks encourages more economic development along the tracks. Even a BRT can change routes fairly easily (especially as KC defines BRT) which would nulify the investment along the route. Rail makes the development a permanently good investment.

2) Dedicated rail avoids traffic -- which can make it a huge plus over driving for major events. This will encourage people to experiment with mass transit for major events if there is an upside advantage to it (avoiding traffic). This experimentation, along with positive experiences, can lead to a long-term rider. Unlike what is happening now -- read this for an example: http://btoellner.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/05/kansas_city_has.html

3) As Mark pointed out, there is a psychological advantage to rail for people because of the certainty that you "won't get lost" that is huge...especially with tourism/convention traffic.

Like someone said before, I voted for the proposal because I wanted KC to get off its butt and really TALK about real, quality public transit. I knew the plan was crap, and not executable. But the reality is that voters forced conversations now that were just pipe dreams a year ago...

 

Anonymous brent said ... (11:06 AM) : 

I will also note that I hate that people are dismissive of the voters saying they didn't know what they were voting for. I think a lot more people knew what they were voting for than anyone wants to give them credit for. It amazes me when politicians especially think the voters (the same ones that voted them into office) went to the polls completely stupid on the issues...

 

Blogger Mark said ... (11:09 AM) : 

Okay, okay. Let's not get off topic and start talking about voters. Keep it this particular concept.

I haven't seen any real negative "you can't do that" comments yet. Where's DaveKCMO when you need him? ;-)

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (11:18 AM) : 

I like it alot Mark. ULR is the way to go.

Now back to the other point -

This very discussion is living proof no one voting for it knew what they were talking about, or what they were voting for.

Would anybody in their right mind, voting for it, think that "if we approve the ballot measure we can just chnage it later?". That's a second level of faulty, dangerous and bad thinking.

Having said that, Mark's driving the right discussion.

 

Blogger Mark said ... (11:24 AM) : 

The next question is, who will champion this? I will be more than happy to lead the parade, march in the band and drive the street sweeper at the end but I'm not a very powerful civic leader. Who is going to listen to me?

If only I could get one of these "lever pullers" that Bob Asher refers to on board.

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (12:03 PM) : 

I suggest starting two separate discussions, one with Ed Ford and Jan Marcason (trans commitee, city council); and another with Greg Lever at the RTA.

The main question being how informed, knowledgebale and reasonable citizens can influence what is considered, and the process by which we can be assured we will be given the appopriate attention.

A second discussion should be with the Urban Society - their advocacy should be geared toward ULR as well, so that we can hit this issue with and from as many different perspectives as possible.

We may want to first consider putting together an advisory group before we meet with anyone, composed of the right cross-section of individuals.

 

Anonymous Michelled said ... (12:13 PM) : 

mainstream - This discussion isn't living proof of anything other that a handfull of people aren't attending to their real jobs...

To say that none of us can effect change because we don't have a high fangled lever puller is bunk too. But it will take more than spouting off on a blog...

Mark, this is something you very well can lead the band on - not everyone will listen but its about time you hone your consensus building skills anyway ;-) You're good enough, smart enough and dog gone it people like you. More than Clay Chastain anyway...

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (12:16 PM) : 

btw - the big "lever-pullers" aren't going to touch this initially. It's up to us to build the case, then the support for the approach.

This has to be worked from the middle, upwards.

The really large forces in town aren't going to sponsor this thing initially.

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (12:18 PM) : 

Michelled -

I would strongly suggest a like-minded advisory group with a diversity of neighborhood and professional interests who are also moderate in their beliefs.

I would also add that we need moderation, not excess or extremism, to be heard.

 

Anonymous just another bartender said ... (12:23 PM) : 

I second the comment about how a rail signifies a "permanent" development.I think that's a big problem with this city: long-term credibility.
One administration promises one thing, the next administration forgets about it. Commit to rail transit and set the route. I'll do my darndest to make sure that route runs right by all the property I own...

As I regress towards cynicism I have to imagine that your ULR scheme is doomed. I mean, it's too inexpensive and it's too easy to install. If you don't have to radically improve the ROWs then why would the large contractors and unions get behind it. And if you don't have to spend a gajillion dollars on ROW acquisition, imminent domains, condemnations, relocations, etc, then why would the big banks and property developers get behind it?

I was talking politics in the bar (I know its a no no) last night to a young guy who's pretty sharp. All he wanted to talk about was Obama this and Hillary that. I mentioned that how this light rail debate and how all those chips fall will affect his life more intensely than any nation politics and that sort of sobered him up a bit. When you sit in a bar on Broadway, go see live music at a joint on Main, and live one block from Troost, and then you realize that LRT is going to end up radically transforming at least one of those streets, there's really no denying that this discussion is a big deal.

Anyway, keep it up Mark, despite the probability of satisfaction...

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (12:29 PM) : 

Important note:

The Max busline, currently successfully in service, was designed to be the precursor to ULR.

The Max controls the lights, has very frequent and regular times, and was intended to create a "vitual track" along main street.

 

Blogger Mark said ... (12:30 PM) : 

JAB,

It's scary how similar we think. I was running all this through my head and wondering why this hasn't taken off. It was another one of those Jack Ryan moments from Hunt For Red October. Remember when he was asking himself "How would you make someone want to get off a nuclear submarine?" I was asking myself "Why wouldn't major community players like construction companies, unions, contractors, financial institutions, etc get behind such a simple plan?" I came to the same "eureka" moment you did. Not much money in it for them.

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (1:06 PM) : 

A ULR system serving Kansas City designed over the longer term to work gracefully with a commuter rail system that interconnect other cities in the metro, is a big project by anybody's standards. Smaller than other alternatives, but that's an academic argument.

The focus should be on affordability, effectiveness and scalability linked to overall financial risk.

The solution that meets those criteria best will have absolutely no problem aquiring the interests of construction and financial service companies.

Why don't we focus on problem-solving instead of relatively meaningless politico-economic generalizations?

 

Blogger KC Sponge said ... (1:21 PM) : 

Of course they will support it, Mark. I know they’re the bad guys and all, but none of these companies, banks or developers would dare back down from the most efficient, innovative plan to date. It may not be the windfall project that the others would be for the next 10-15 years, but how could they say no? This proposal would be implemented far easier and exponentially less expensive – that means it will happen faster. That means that the potential of KC that they have been preaching for all these years will be realized in a more timely fashion. And they know the public is only going to wait so long – get this out now and ‘sell’ this idea of mass transit to the people – and the big projects will come. And for right now, who’s going to build the plant to make these beauties? Who’s going to fund the development along the rail lines that will start a whole decade before it would with the other plans? Who’s going to get access to better transportation for their workers around the city?

This is a great option, Mark. With 22 comments, you have no one saying no – just that others are going to say it. Don’t let this be another post where you have this great idea and you spend time to post it and research it and then just sit around and hope that the right people see it and do something about it. You are the right people, Mark. You don’t need people to vote you into office to change the course of a neighborhood, a city or the world. . . the biggest jobs are done by those who really give a shit. You have proved that you do. People will stand behind that.

Would love to help in anyway (need a research project anyway . . .)

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (1:41 PM) : 

Good words, sponge-man.

The key is a coalition of mid-level neighborhood and poffessional leaders to kick it off and manage it.

There are ten ways to Sunday this approach can be built and sold to all of the right people.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:58 PM) : 

testing comments. are they broken?

 

Anonymous Kansas Citian said ... (9:48 PM) : 

Care to research into PRT and the potential Kansas City has to be among the first to implement something with the potential Personal Rapit Transportation has to be a cheap, highly efficient and cutting edge mode of public transportation?
As long as we're talking about Kansas City making the move into the 21st century, this seems like the technology with which to do it.

 

Blogger Ryan said ... (9:55 PM) : 

If we're going to try out a new, unproven system, I'd rather see something like this:

http://www.unimodal.com/

 

Blogger Mark said ... (10:16 PM) : 

kansas citian and ryan,

PRT was not in my self-prescribed constraints. I chose to stay within the confines of what I believe to be what the voters want.

I dispute characterizing ULR as an "unproven system." There are many hybrid-drive buses in operation throughout North America and the world. They have logged hundreds of thousands of miles. ULR is the same drive platform except it's steel wheels on steel rails. Also a proven technology. Combining the two is hardly a radical design.

My own personal opinion is I don't like PRT because of the lack of social interaction it fosters. For me, part of the transit experience is to share a vehicle with many and vastly different people that I may not encounter normally. Isolating myself in a pod is not my idea of taking part in the urban experience.

 

Anonymous the wife said ... (2:39 AM) : 

Hello from Beijing:-)
They could really use a good low-emission mass transit system here.

 

Anonymous iDan said ... (1:16 PM) : 

If we are avoiding the "reasons we cant" and focusing on the "why nots", then why not look well beyond these modest proposals that have been chronicled here? Why not build a gold-plated transit system. Why are we talking about starter lines, instead of full-on implementation?

I think one person's "realstic" approach is just another person's perception of "Oh, here is another pessimist in the crowd, ugh! Those damn KC traditionalists." Sorry Mark, but I just felt you were belittling the noncomformist, in regards to this blog, with the way you ended this column.

I appreciate your effort on this subject, Mark, and learn quite a lot to help shape my opinion. Thanks.

 

Blogger Mark said ... (1:55 PM) : 

iDan,

You're so sensitive! :-)

I was actually trying to generate a little discord. It's been my experience with blogging that to make a controversial statement like I did will bring out the naysayers in droves.

Belittling? Perhaps. Unfortunately it didn't work and nobody really stepped up to poke holes in my idea.

Really nobody seems to feel there's any significant downside to ULR. The tough part is the route. I can't even reach a consensus with myself on that!

 

Anonymous DaveKCMO said ... (9:36 AM) : 

keep in mind that the ATA is the official planning organization for this... with that in mind, you can guarantee a couple of things:

- the system will use overhead catenary. it's not a stretch for kansas citians who were used to seeing it strung all around for decades (and lest we forget this thing has to go back to voters). it will not be self-propelled by anything that produces exhaust or pollutants, a critical aspect of keeping clay chastain off of our collective asses.

- it will use a conventional and readily available vehicle technology -- standard LRV or fast streetcar.

- it will go down main or grand, and cross the river but go no further than that in phase 1.

i hate to be the one saying it, but we already tried a visionary plan, and that was the one on the ballot. judging by how that was publicly flogged, it is imperitive that we focus on a starter route that uses proven technology with known factors that will facilitate an acceptable re-vote, a sound cost estimate without federal funds, and acceptable timetable for construction.

 

Blogger Mark said ... (10:59 AM) : 

Dave,

I might begrudge you calling the ballot plan "visionary" but there's many different definitions of that word. The ballot plan isn't possible. My idea is. It's completely possible. In fact, it's the most practical IMHO.

I feel strongly enough about this to fight for it.

 

Anonymous Joe Medley said ... (12:00 PM) : 

I know I'm getting into this discussion late, but here are a few random thoughts.

I think a cheaper system is going to be the best system for Kansas City. One factor in the success of a transit system is population density, specifically, the number of customers per mile. Even in the pre-urban sprawl days of the 1930s, Kansas City street car operators complained that they had half as many riders per mile as systems in comparable cities. (A Splendid Ride: The Streetcars of Kansas City, 1870-1957 by Monroe Dodd). Perhaps the smaller capacity vehicles of a ULR are just the thing for this area.

Smaller cars with more frequent stops would increase the convenience of the system. Since convenience is always a major selling point in American culture, voila, we have just turned a liability into an asset.

Although I've never done a side-by-side comparison, I've read that rail transit tends to provide a smoother ride than bus transit.

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (1:56 PM) : 

Hey Mark, why don't you grow some cajones, stand up, and insist that ULR be included, at the very least, into the feasibility analysis required by the Feds, and included in the City Council, RTa and ATA as they consider light rail alternatives and implementation.

Ya can't get it if you don't, at the very least, start asking for it.

 

Blogger Mark said ... (3:20 PM) : 

I'm working on it mainstream. I'm working the phones, email, whatever avenue I can think of. People are taking notice.

As far as the cajones? I'm married. I don't think I'm allowed to have them anymore. ;-)

 

Anonymous mainstream said ... (3:31 PM) : 

I'm married as well. And good point.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

Anonymous DaveKCMO said ... (7:50 PM) : 

i stand by my comment that the chastain plan is visionary, in that it didn't take many practical considerations into account when proposing a system with minimal environmental and aesthetic impact (visionaries don't like naysayers). i certainly don't believe it is entirely practical, or that anyone in power will *ever* allow it to proceed as is (or anything close, at this rate). regardless, i personally have no issues with the route, technology, or even the gondolas... and i'm not at all afraid to admit it. that being said, i love any and all discussion about alternatives that are more palatable to voters.

 

Anonymous Paintfumes said ... (8:22 PM) : 

I don't think we need lightrail at all. The purpose of lightrail is to spur development in the cities corridors. Since the condo epedemic is taking off development is on its way. I agree with you Mark our city is not dense enough
The City promised the people fuel efficient buses (MAX), smaller in size. But instead the MAX is just like a city bus.
Funkhouser and the city counsel should just fire all the city planners and start over.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (10:55 AM) : 

OK so we have the type of system we want but the route is what cuts me from the pack. Troost, Prospect and Independence Ave are the highest farebox routes. In other words traveling on bus down these existant routes is where the most people "needing" transit exist so why don't we just once forget our dreams of taking a train to the Plaza and start with a fixed rail line that will serve the present riders-- oh yea and since all of the sharks in town want to DEVELOP along the fixed rail route (to help pay for it, which is nonsense) wouldnt the places needing the most development probably also be along Troost or Prospect. Such a drastic idea might also ret asunder the racial curtain that exists on Troost.

 

Anonymous Jeff said ... (9:01 AM) : 

I struggled with the idea of voting in LRT. I'm from Independence, I have a question if rail was so good in the past why did we burry it under our streets. My father drove a KC Street car years ago. Technology marches on and we should consider what history has taught us. We left rail behind, why? There are some ideas on this blog that are creative and forward thinking. I have a dog in the fight, the technology I like is the Hybrid Electric Propulltion System currently in production and operating in a variety of US Cities, Seattle has a large fleet of these busses. The product is designed and built by Allison Transmission/GM. No additional expense to build or upgrade the current infrastructure would be required. Something to think about!

 

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