The Trolley Trail does not belong to you
By Mark ForsytheThe Kansas City Post The Harry Wiggins Trolley Trail is by all accounts a wonderful amenity for Brookside and Waldo. Spanning the length from Brush Creek all the way down to 85th Street and turning East to Prospect, it is used by hundreds of walkers, runners, bicyclists, dog walkers and even commuters who walk to school or work. I have had the privilege of serving on the Country Club Right Of Way Advisory Committee (CCROW) since about This morning our two new councilmembers from the 4th District, Jan Marcason and Beth Gottstein attended so they were given a history of the Trolley Trail by legal counsel Jerry Riffel. I too learned some things, or re-learned some things. I'm starting to reach that age where I can't remember if I already knew it or forgot it! For instance, did you know the Trolley Trail actually served as a freight line in the 70's? I think I knew that but I can't remember! The meeting progressed and we covered issues like the extension of the trail down 85th Street, the Crestwood sewer improvement project and the eventual Brookside Interceptor sewer project which will all affect the trail. It was the general maintenance and suggestion part of the meeting where I really learned something. Apparently the Trolley Trail belongs to a couple of the "original" members and they alone will determine how the trail is used and whom will use it. This was all new information to me. I relayed comments to the group that I have received about the trail. Mainly that people wonder why the trail is made of crushed rock? It's dusty in the summer time, kicking up in the air with every passing individual coating people and property with rock dust. It washes out in sections after a heavy rain, leaving the trail impassable. Its light color and poor heat transfer properties prevent it from melting during the winter leaving the trail unusable for weeks at a time. Finally the loose surface is a hazard to bicyclists, both young and old. I tried to present my comments in a constructive tone. I realize the KCATA doesn't have a ton of money to put down a hard, more permanent surface all at once. I was just bringing a community viewpoint to the group. One self-proclaimed original member of the group proceeded to not only disagree with me, but attempt to dress me down (bad idea) in front of the group (really bad idea). That privilege is reserved for my wife, and the maybe the person that signs my paychecks. This person informed me that the trail is only for walkers and he "doesn't want bicyclists and their high speeds on his trail." "It is not a running trail and it is certainly not for bicyclists" was his main argument. "Kids on bikes are okay but as far as the gravel goes kids are going to wipe out (emphasis mine) and that's just the way it is." Nothing like tough love for the kids of Brookside and Waldo! The other long-time member was attempting to chime in with agreement and simultaneously mention the fact that he's an architect all in one breath which in itself was quite an impressive feat! When I interjected and stated that times change, neighborhoods change and people's usage of the Trolley Trail has changed his final red-faced retort was "Things don't change!" Perhaps in some people's minds the trail should be reserved for men in bowler hats and women with parasols and hoop skirts strolling along while watching children play with a hoop and stick. So I have learned something today. The Trolley Trail belongs to the original members of the CCROW who were there when I was still struggling with Algebra II. Bicyclists and their gosh-darned high speeds are not welcome, and perhaps the most important lesson of all. Things don't change. Glad I got that straight! |







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post a commentWould you think me cranky if I made a joke about how this attitude coming from a Brooksider does not surprise me??
brooksiders pwn you!
Boy will said architect be angry when it gets brought up that the Trolly Track trail is actually owned by the KCATA and they want to take it back to put a light-rail extenstion back down that line...
That'd be fun to watch said face turn red and explode...
Except they don't have to take the trail to put in a light rail line. Much of the corridor has plenty of room for both a rail and a trail.
There are some narrow places where some extra right of way might be needed or the trail might have to be single track. However, there are several examples in other cities of the rails-with-trail concept.
AND, rail construction would be a perfect opportunity to rebuild the trail with asphalt.
I agree Eric. There is plenty of room for both and most members of the CCROW committee are aware of that.
However since we're to accept that bicycles are not allowed on the Trolley Trail because they're "so fast" I wonder how a streetcar barreling along at 25 MPH will go over! ;-)
Like so many of our city's problems, it sounds like in this case it's just a matter of waiting for a few more old folks to die off and leave room for newer perspectives.
Perhaps The Roasterie Cafe could start serving Soilant Green scones...
Soylant Green is PEOPLE!!!!!!
OH wonderful...in case you all haven't heard The Architect was appointed by Jan to be on the dog parks board.
Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that the red-faced original member has good cause for his assertion that the trail is not intended for runners or bikers.
Has he never tried to take a leisurely walk on the trail on a windy day?
Or a rainy day?
What about handicapped accessibility? The run-off causes huge canyons that could result in a broken ankle for somebody with a visual impairment. What about wheelchairs? Walkers? Is the trail also not intended for people with disabilities?
Thanks, Mark, for being a voice of reason at the meeting.
the automobile culture spans the generation under 40. i heard a county planner who is in the low 30's say that bike lanes are stupid.
if things don't change, why doesn't the architect design the same building over and over.
Have you seen the huge concrete slabs on the trail behind the Trailside Center at 99th and Holmes? They seem so out of place. Place, that's the key word. A sense of place. The trail surface must not cause you to have cognitive dissonance like that thing does.
Isn't part of the Trolley Trail something other than crushed rock? There is such a variety of things they can use now. We should be able to make a wise choice -- might cost us though. But, hey, it's the Forth District, right? I kid.
And freight? 1870s maybe, but I don't recalling ever seeing anything on those rails and my memory goes back to the 70s. 1970s.
i say that if there's to be any resurfacing of the trail, it should be done with permeable material instead of asphalt. the permeable surface would still provide stable walking/running/biking/skating surface, while being more environmentally-friendly than asphalt, and wouldn't require constant resurfacing like a rock path would. :)
Is making fun of fellow committee members on a public blog the best way to get your point across?
I think you have good points and it sounds like the other guys started this little pissing match. But dissing them on your blog (even when not using names) probably just entrenches their position and makes yours harder to get across.
The Wiggins Trolley Trail was made in order to make sure that the highest turnout wards in the district would vote against light rail. Light rail opponents like Jim Nutter made sure that the one right of way available through an area where high turnout voters migh actually ride light rail, would have to give up an amenity to have light right. The fix is in once again, SUCKERS!.
In addition, the crushed rock is easier on runners' knees than pavement.
Funny. If the Trolley Trail isn't for cyclist were are the signs telling us to stay off (not that I would). Also there is signage asking bicycle users to make walkers etc aware of their approch.
I love the Trolley Trail and I use if in all weather and in all conditions.
I have seen old photos of a trolley using it though. Crazy photo with one going over the little bridge in brookside.
Fun stuff!!