Statement to the Citizens Task Force on Light Rail
| The following is a statement read to the members of the Citizens Light Rail Task Force by Fred Buckley at the January 21st meeting. It is published here in its entirety. Members of the Task Force, I would like to speak this evening about a few things, and I appreciate the opportunity to do so. Over the past almost 6 months, we have gathered for 3 hours a night on average of once every two weeks. We have discussed, argued, disagreed, come to a consensus, and talked at length about light rail in Kansas City. We have done this with the understanding that we were making recommendation to the ATA and City Council, and that they were listening to us. I don’t believe this is happening. We recommended that the city repeal Clay’s plan that the voters approved as long as they were going to place another plan on the ballot at the same time. They didn’t. We recommended that the bus tax renewal and new light rail tax be on the same ballot. This is not going to happen. We are now hearing that the mayor does not want the ATA to run the light rail system if it is approved. Then why is this an ATA committee? We are told that $600 million will build a 12 mile route, and this is on the conservative side. We have a 14 mile or more system. Which part doesn’t get built? According to Jeffery Boothe, we are told we would be more likely to receive federal funding with a regional system; we have dealt with a starter line. If we do just a starter line, and unless the rules change, we won’t have the ridership or density for the expansion to get federal funding. This year alone, before a vote on the 3/8th cent light rail tax will even go to the voters, the city residents will have to renew a 3/8th cent bus tax, which isn’t guaranteed, and learn how much their water and sewer bills will go up because of a $3.5-5.5 billion combined sewer overhaul, all of this before a vote on ANOTHER 3/8th cent sales tax for light rail. Now, I ask you, which is the odd tax out? I am a genuine and staunch supporter of light rail. I have seen its economic development potential, the increased ability to commute, and the joy of being able to get between entertainment districts with ease, but I don’t see this in Kansas City. We have people on this task force that don’t want light rail at all. Why, on a committee that was put together to find a way for light rail to work, do we have people whose purpose is to kill it? I have attended all but one meeting, the 2nd one. I have attended the public hearings, council sessions, and other meeting associated with this process. I want this to happen, but I am upset, discouraged, and frankly embarrassed at the way this is being handled and done. We do not have a voice, and if we do, it is being muffled by those whose say they are trying to put a plan together. I hope that for the sake of Kansas City Light Rail that this committee is around a long time. I believe we can accomplish a lot, but we must be willing to do it ourselves, and not rely on the government to do it for us. The sad part is, that is exactly what we have to do. I would like to propose that we figure out the purpose of light rail in Kansas City before we move on. Then, we need to come up with a regional idea. Not wait for other cities to jump in and support, but draw lines on a map if needed. We need to present a regional solution to the federal government for the federal funding, the first phase being the “starter line.” We need to let the city council, the ATA, and who ever else needs to know, that by not putting both taxes on the same ballot, they are damaging the chances that we’ll ever get light rail in Kansas City. Lastly, we need more citizen leadership from this group, rather than to be consultant guided. I know that together, we can make this happen. Respectfully submitted, Fred C. Buckley III, Kevin Klinkenberg, Derek Ramsay, Airick Leonard West, Chris Sally, and Heidi Pollmann |






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post a commentWe are told that $600 million will build a 12 mile route,
So the ATA had 15 million in ridership last year? If increasing the use of public transportion is the goal, then why don't we use the $600 million as cash prizes.
We give away 1 million dollars a month as a cash prize. That would last us 50 years. Each bus ticket you buy also counts as a lottery ticket. The more you ride the bus, the better your chances are.
Your odds of winning would be a few orders of magnitude higher than the state lottery.
Or how about this, every 1,000 rider gets a crisp new 100 dollar bill.
Mark, I noticed you didn't sign this letter.
Do you support this letter?
mainstream,
I support most of it. I very quietly resigned from the task force before this statement was presented.
Sal,
That would come out to some where around 30,000 people a day. We could buy all of them a $5000 car.
The thing about the Task Force that bothers me is that some of the members seem to not want to include all of the information necessary to get a fixed rail system up, running, and maintained.
As Airick heard at the east side meeting some people east of Troost are tired of being invited to the table and then being offered the crumbs.
So when the feds say they want a regional plan, can the regional plan be lines on a piece of paper or do we need other cities to actually endorse the plan by popular or other vote?
I was being a little sarcastic, but does spending 600 million on ONE route make any sense? The only way it make sense to me, is if it spurs economic development.
I ride the bus to downtown a few times a week. There are MANY public transit routes going to downtown, we don't need another one.
But my office is two miles from the nearest bus stop. I don't get why anyone wants to replace an existing bus line with rail, that costs more. No one has said rail would be faster, have cheaper tickets or run longer hours. So what is the draw?
If we are going to spend 600 million, why not add more bus routes so people can actually ride the bus to somewhere besides downtown.
For 600 million I could do a kick ass marketing campaign that would probably increase ridership more than rail alone.
Seriously why should I like rail? Enlighten me.
Thank you Mayor and City Council for ensuring that Kansas City will remain a car dependant cow town! Where are the consensus builders and experienced leaders we were promised in the election?
car dependant cow town!
Thats funny. I ride the bus to many destinations. KC is far from car dependent.
Why do I need a train to run the EXACT SAME route I already ride on the bus?
If you don't want to be car dependent, then don't. For $1.25 you can go outside and within 30 minutes pick up public transportation that runs the exact same route as the proposed light rail plan. You can do this today.
It seems the real problem is that some people think they are to "good" to ride with the "poor" people on the bus. I would guess that the same folks that think they are too good to ride the bus, will also be too good to ride the train.
I have yet to hear anyone tell me how my ride from Waldo to downtown will be any better on light rail than it is on the Max.
"I have yet to hear anyone tell me how my ride from Waldo to downtown will be any better on light rail than it is on the Max."
That's because nobody is going to engage with an anti-light rail crusader. It's like trying to have a discussion with a brick wall. You like buses, we get it. You ride the bus, good for you. You think there are no benefits to light rail, good for you.
You think there are no benefits to light rail, good for you.
Then what are the benefits? I would be glad to hear them. I very well could be wrong (and often am).
From my side all I see is a bunch of people that drive their car to work every day and lament that we don't have a mass transit system, while they ignore the many people that DO use the CURRENT mass transit system.
Why would light rail be superior to the much cheaper alternative of dishing out more cash to the MAX line, so that buses run every 6-8 minutes on the route?
The only advantage I can think of is economic development. Buses follow development, while development follows rail lines.
You have a train station at point A and point B. Businesses start to move near point A and B.
That is one reason the Chastain plan was so bad. He wanted to build a line through the richest parts of town (hey Brookside, you already got the best buses!). It would be like giving more TIF to the Plaza.
Bus lines are easier to install, but rail may be cheaper to maintain. As far as speed goes, rapid bus systems like the Max come close to matching light rail.
The GAO has a good study at:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d01984.pdf
Many people rely on the bus for their day to day needs and light rail doesn't really help those folks.
It is a real shame that people keep talking about there being "No mass transit" in KC or that we are "a car dependent city." The fact is we have a current city wide mass transit system and many people depend on it every day.
If we start light rail, then what are the odds that bus funds will dry up for the eastside? Brookside will have a shiny new train, but the folks that really count on public transportation will get the shaft. (Makes you wonder why the Max went to Brookside/Waldo, while Troost has a much higher ridership. )
the main advantage of a light-rail system, or at least the modern streetcar system proposed for KCMO is largely in development potential and the reconnecting of urban fabric.
Buses, lacking the permanence of a fixed route, are both less appealing to many riders (many find comfort in the simplicity and permanence of a rail in the ground vs. byzantine bus routes and scheduling, etc.) and far less appealing as creators of economic development for a variety of reasons.
Modern streetcars make transit visible, activate the streets, add a true sense of connectivity between city districts that buses never will, and most importantly can stimulate infill development due to the permanence and yes, flashiness of their operation.
Personally, I would prefer adding another 4-5 MAX lines and increasing headway and true BRT status (i.e. off bus tickets) for the $600 million LRT will cost, but for whatever reason the city is not headed in that direction. Modern streetcars are nonetheless a great choice for the urban core, at least, and will do a huge amount of good for the rivre-crown-plaza corridor, with potential for expansion in the future.
Be careful when you think that the "Modern" Street Car they want to put in Kansas City isn't just another bait and switch. They call it "Fast" street car It is a modern street car but the rails and understructure are exactly what is put in for the regular Light Rail. Without the weight and speed of the regular Light Rail Cars there is no need for the extra cost and work of putting in Light Rail infrastructure. Modern Street Car at $10 to $15 Million a mile is what we need.
I ride the Max from Plaza to City hall and it is 14 to 15 minutes each way. Light Rail will cover the same area at one mile and hour faster than the bus if the rail is in a dedicated lane. Modern Street Car will travel at the same speed in the same route--not "so Called Fast Street Car", which is a lie made up by HNTB so that heavy infrastructure and rails can be put in. Modern Street car will cost $10 to $15 million per mile.
The only reason for Light Rail at present in Kansas City is so we can be a "First Class" city. Problem is we will only be a first class cow town with a poor transit system and a huge debt.
Why is it that the Pembrook rich kids are the ones that think this is what us poor folks need.
to clarifying once again, and to do so quite bluntly: no one is seriously thinking or talking about 'the poor folks' with this rail system. The emphasis is placed on incentivizing development and connecting the nodes of investement that we've created (plaza, crown center, DT).
Providing a cost effective means of transportation down the road for ALL people is certainly the other function of such a system, and in particular a region-wide system, which to function properly demands a strong spine through the figurative and financial heart of the urban core.
For a number of reasons, future growth and prosperity in the urban core will require a solid transit system, among other big-ticket items...I for one prefer a city-wide BRT system, but I believe modern streetcars to be the next best way to provide an effective alternative to rampant, fast-becoming more costly auto dependance.